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Aspects
Why aren't characters such as the remaining Aspects on here? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:35, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
They were not technically in-game, therefore not main characters.--SWM2448 20:38, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Adding
Can I add High Tinker Gelbin Mekkatorque to the list?-Airiph 16:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Mmmm... I'd have to say no. He has no established lore prior to his introduction in WoW. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok.-Airiph 16:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Template intention
Yeah, er, it was a bit of a mistake when I created this template, as I was originally going to make it just WC3 characters, but that was a silly (and somewhat unworkable) restriction. I would say that the best idea for this is that it covers all Warcraft characters with major game roles, and that the name is changed. Thoughts? Kirkburn talk contr 22:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Align
Was there a reason it was left aligned rather than kept centered? 
{T•C) 06:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was bored, and wanted it to look a little bit more like wikipedia's navboxes. Speaking of which, I need to finish skinning navbox. Sigh. --Sky (t | c | w) 06:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Teron Gorefiend
Teron Gorefiend, being the only 'notable undead' on the Undead template, playing a major role in the Shadow Council as well as the Second War and numerous events with the Karabor, including his service to Gul'dan, Orgrim Doomhammer, Kil'jaeden, and his recent relation to Illidan all as possibly the most powerful Death Knight, not to mention his exploits stealing artifacts for the portals in Outland and his attempt at stealing the Eye of Dalaran. Furthermore, he seems to strike fear into the hearts of the Undead. There is no dispute here about his renown nor his exploits, he is entwined deeply with the story, so he is definitely a major character. The major issue I see is that it is too hard to categorize him, for he always seems to only be on his own side... He could easily be categorized under Horde (least likely), Illidari (for his appearence in Black Temple), or even Burning Legion (for his service to Kil'jaeden and Gul'dan). Omniferous (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- I added (presumed) after his name, because it is not sure why he is siding with Illidan, and even if he is he may not technically be a member of the Illidari. Feel free to revert this if you want. Omniferous (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Sha'tar/Army of the Light
The Sha'tar and their allies seem to be deeply involved with current lore - Sunwell Isle, Shattrath City and so on. I think that there should be a separate line with characters aiding the Sha'tar like: A'Dal, Akama, Voren'thal, Ishanah, Lady Liadrin, M'uru . What do you think of this?Dakovski (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
- While Blizzard is definetly edging towards that (since the characters' introduction), I'm reluctant to do that with this template at this time, largely because of the ones you listed, Akama is the only person who's featured in sources other than WoW (not counting the TGC). While they're all certainly significant characters, I would argue that only Akama and possibly Liadrin have much in the way of character development that one would associate with a "main character." That said, there are others on the template who are in a similar situation, so I guess my answer is "not sure."--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Chen in Horde section
OK, we've had Chen Stormstout as a character that was helping the Horde in the same manner as Rexxar, and Rexxar is listed behind "Horde". Should we have Chen in Horde section? Severin Andrews 12:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Overhaul
I've protected this until we decide for certain who we're changing, adding and whatnot. So, let's discuss. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that every character with 
from the Major characters list should be on this template as well as most with an 
. I see some minor characters on the template that need to be removed - Sen'jin for example is only mentioned in the demo campaign of Warcraft 3; and if Brox and Halduron are to be kept, some other characters if their stature should also be included, say Shandris who is also a sentinel general similar to Halduron. You can even put Garithos and Rend Blackhand. There should be, however, some kind of border and requirements if this is to be a good list, I think.Dakovski (talk) 14:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Both this page and the Major characters list need an overhaul. I'll agree to Sen'jin's removal, he appears in only three missions of a demo (though the events it tells are still canonical). Shandris should definetly be on this list as she is featured prominently in WotA, but Garithos, to my knowledge has never been seen outside of TFT. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Maybe split this into two templates - major and important characters. "Important" list would be longer and less restrictive, including characters who are still important, at least for their races - like Sen'jin, Halduron or Garithos - but couldn't be considered major. What about this?
And "others" section would be good, as good as including C'Thun - one of the five guys who have major impact on Azeroth's prehistory. Severin Andrews 18:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- That would clutter up the pages of major characters even further.
- Anyway, proposed criteria for "main character", each character will have to be examined:
- 1) Appears in multiple sources
- 2) Part of the story is told from their point of view
- C'Thun, I think would not be considered a "main character" because his personal story isn't one that's told a lot and he doesn't feature significantly enough.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- They are responsible for nearly every problem in the Warcraft Universe, but usually do things indirectly or at a distance. There is little 'Hey look at me! Here is my backstory! I did this!' with them, except for C'Thun (who really only appears for a bit) and some in the WotA trilogy.--SWM2448 22:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- I pass through human characters from the major characters list to see which suits the criteria:
- Arthas - RoC, TFT, Arthas, WoW
- Medivh - TLG, WC2, WC3
- Lothar - WC1, WC2, ToD
- Uther - WC2, WC3, ToD
- Khadgar - WC2:BDP, TLG, ToD, BtDP
- Jaina - WC3, CoH, WoW
- Aegwynn - TLG, CoH
- Kel'Thuzad - WC3, seperate story about him - "Road to Damnation"
- Varian Wrynn - Comic
- Tirion Fordring - Of Blood and Honor
- Rhonin - DotD, WotA, Night of the Dragon
- Not sure about king Terenas
All these are characters from two or more games/novels and should be on the template. Others, like Antonidas, Danath, are not so important in my opinion.Dakovski (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've tweaked a bit with your list if that's all right (revert if you want) Terenas, Antonidas, Danath, maybe on a separate list for major supporting characters? They're quite important and prominent lore-wise (Antonidas was apparently a sleeper hit in terms of popularity). I also quibble with Fordring, but now that I think about it, he is one of first paladins. I'd also approve:
- Turalyon- WC2x, ToD, BtDP
- Maybe we should organize by race instead of just faction?-Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Here are my two cents. Firstly, if we listed every major character by race, it may take up slightly more space then the existing template, and some races have very few major heroes or major characters. However, there are several characters that do not quite fit into a faction that is listed (e.g akama isn't truly illidari) So this method may help. ANd about which characters should be in the template. Here's an idea. We put a vote on every hero's talk page who may have a place on the template, and we vote to see if they should be on here.Warden Shadowsong (talk) 14:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Nice idea but that's going to take too long, and just because a character is popular doesn't mean that they're a main character, see the aforementioned Antonidas, and Rommath. Re the races, I think we could order by faction, then by race, though just by race would work, too.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Do you think that there should only be certain people, like bookkeepers who should be able to make changes to the template, and that they should decide it all? Seeing as you lot have probably the best understanding of characters, you would know best if someone should be on the list or not, and would also not be biased towards popular or against less well know but just as important characters.Warden Shadowsong (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- The Bookeepers are being overhauled as well, so this discussion is open to anyone who has an opinion. The template is now sysop-only protection, I'd like to leave that indefinetly to prevent people from adding whatever characters they like the most. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Azshara again
I think they should put Azshara in the Ancient row, it is even mentioned in its own article that shes an Ancient. (A with mayus) --Andersmusician$ 06:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
