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Contents 1 Sub Regions 2 Instance navbox template 3 Thanks for cleaning vandalism 4 Scale of Sands 5 Thanks for cleaning my talk page 6 For adding pictures 7 template:rfc 8 QuestBox 9 Vandalbuster 10 Welcome .... admin! 11 I Want To Help You 12 Troll Template 13 Finished all subregions 14 Thanks 15 Thanks 16 Lord Valthalak Edit 17 Thank you for the welcome. 18 NPC box images 19 Stubs 20 {{Questbox}} work still to do: heading → category 21 Quest Guide 22 Bot Loot Template 23 Tyrant 24 Regarding Bot activity... 25 How to make a signature 26 Fang of Vashj 27 Category:User:Zeal 28 _Europe or _EU 29 cost/gsc template 30 icon 31 about your most recent block 32 Removing BC template? 33 template formatting 34 Dear Sir, 35 elinks 36 CSS! 37 Mob Template

Sub Regions

The navigation bars you're making at the bottom of the location pages are a great idea. However, I suggest keeping the subregion and dungeon information under the geography tab, because it should be mentioned in the article proper, not just the bar at the bottom. -- Varghedin 10:52 (CET), November 10th 2006

Hey, thanks for commenting on my stuff. Just to reply... I would think that the locations shouldn't show up in the article proper. I was using Wikipedia as a model, and if you look at the articles, not many of them have listy type things. Lists look ugly and don't read well. Like if you read the article about the United States of America, there's no list of states except for the navigation bar at the bottom.

I hope we can reach a concensus on how to approach this. And by concensus I mean agree with me. LOLZ. Mind control...--Hobinheim 07:39, 10 November 2006 (EST)

The list of states in USA might not be included because they are numerous and well-known. The article on Norway does list its 19 counties. I should also warn you that I've only cleaned up the subregins for Stranglethorn Vale and lower level zones (Desolace is next), so you might want to consider not making bars for the higher level zones yet. Every single zone I've done so far have had wrong info in the subzones box. But the newbie zones, teens zones and 20-30 zones should all be clean now. -- Varghedin 14:55 (CET), November 10th 2006

Instance navbox template

Inspired by your "Bar Boy" templates: Template:Hellfire Citadel. You like? :) --Tekkub 15:28, 10 November 2006 (EST)

LOL I'm honored. It looks great! Anything to help us bind common pages together.--Hobinheim 15:34, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Don't let yourself be called Stapler Boy ;) Nice job! --Tinkerer 15:35, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Can I give myself one of those edit badges?--Hobinheim 15:36, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks for cleaning vandalism

Just wanted to give you a note that your efforts are appreciated. --Fandyllic (talk) 3:41 PM PST 16 Nov 2006

Scale of Sands

Uhm, either we dont alphabetize "The" at all, or we alphabetize both. In game, they are both named as "The". Why did you revert? -- Adys 15:54, 17 November 2006 (EST)

What other 'The' are you referring to? If The Consortium, I've since changed to sort by the letter C, which slipped my mind. I should have seen it the first time around... =( So the proposed rule here is to always sort by the first non-article word. Thanks for pointing it out.--Hobinheim 16:31, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Uhm, sorry, I meant The Violet Eye. --Adys 16:37, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Right, The Violet Eye is currently sorted by V. The only reason I'm leaving the 'The' in there is because I can't tell how important it is to the title. I'm not in the Burning Crusade beta. My guess is that it's not that important, like all the other The's. The Argent Down. The Syndicate... Hmm... We should probably take it out. I dunno. Sort order was all I was after. The makes the click target bigger. =) --Hobinheim 16:39, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Some factions in game are named with the "the", such as The League of Arathor, The Scale of the Sands etc. Argent Dawn doesn't have a "The". I'd say leave the The and sort it without. --Adys 17:54, 17 November 2006 (EST)

That's currently the way the page is coded now. So... No changes.--Hobinheim 17:56, 17 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks for cleaning my talk page

I blocked the vandal for a year. --Fandyllic (talk) 11 AM PST 29 Nov 2006

For adding pictures

template:rfc

This appears to be just a shortcut for [[Category:Requests for Comments]], or a substitute for {{comment}} that doesn't put the comment banner up. Is that fully as you intended? I'm not certain of the benefits vis the Comment template... --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC) I have noticed you're going around and cleaning up the pictures of tameable beasts. If you want to do the same for other creatures, you may just want to download Wowmodelview yourself (You can find it at Curse-Gaming) and save yourself the trouble of carefully trimming the images. :) --Presea 12:46, 4 December 2006 (EST)

I was absolutely thinking that same thought, but right now, personally, I'm so Warcrafted-out, I can't even think of doing more... Even though I so do enjoy the secret goodies that Wowmodelview affords me. --Hobinheim 14:25, 4 December 2006 (EST)

QuestBox

Gotta say, I love your QuestBox template, and I really hope it get used more around here. However, when I was using it, I noticed a small issue. The template automatically includes the article in a variety of Categories, which is great and all, except for that it doesn't sort it within that category by the name. Every article is under Q, unless you manually change the name under which it is sorted, which kinda makes automatic inclusion into these categories rather pointless. To see what I mean, just look at Category:Quests:Hillsbrad_Foothills. So yes, if you could just change that small detail, it'd be wonderful. --Mikaka 01:47, 12 December 2006 (EST)

We're actually working on that. If you look in village pump, I added a request to promote the Quest pseudo name space to an actual one. This would allow use to use the pagename variable in the template, and with that, all the quests could sort themselves. I think, for the mean time, you can manually sort them by just adding the same categories, if you really really want. --Hobinheim 01:52, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Ah, well, jolly good then. Keep up the good work. --Mikaka 01:56, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Vandalbuster

Dude, you rock. Keep it up. // Montag (talk · contr) 01:29, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Welcome .... admin!

Lookie, it's an admin! With great power comes great responsibility ... but this is the WoWWiki, and we don't run on the 'normal' rules. You're still Hobinheim, not some all powerful god. No, that's Rustak. Fandyllic is Jesus? Hmm, that makes us the disciples. Damn - they had no powers at all! Nvm. Congrats! :) -- Kirkburn (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2006 (EST)

I Want To Help You

Hello, Hobbinheim. I am an admin on English Wikipedia, and I have been noticing the mass vandalism this wiki often experiences. As a veteran adminsitrator, I was hoping I could help you out. I often deal with blocking vandals and deleting vanmdalism on Wikipedia, and perhaps I could do the same here. Also, I could introduce a feature we have at Wikipedia, that you would certainly find useful. This feature prevents new users from creating usernames similar to an existing user (I see that many vandals here impersonate admins). I feel that if I was an admin on this wiki, I could help you out immensely. I'm online frequently, and would do my best to resolve all of your vandalism issues. In addition to Wikipedia, I am an admin or bureaucrat on five other wikis. I have tremendous experience in dealing with vandals. If I can help you out, let me know. Thanks, --Lucky 6.9 18:17, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Troll Template

Thank you for the support. --Voidvector 22:54, 25 December 2006 (EST).

Finished all subregions

I just thought I'd let you know I've put a subregion navigation template into ALL pre-expansion zones. All listed subregions currently in the game are now linked with super sexy navigation templates. So you can scratch that off your To-Do list. --Mikaka 17:24, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks

Meh I just stole the homepage hehe and edited it >_< and found a template from somone whos inactive and edited it for the characters, although i cant space them out for some reason... but thanks :) -- Thursday

Thanks

Apollozeus, inspiring WoWWiki since 2006...hmm, that sounds great :P. I'm glad you like it.. I may change my signature to display a troll sometime in the future though, when I grow tired of my blood elf. I picked it because I honestly can't wait to play TBC since Eversong Woods look freaking gorgeous.APΘLLΘ^(ZEUS) 06:35, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Lord Valthalak Edit

I'm still a rookie here, so please let me know if this is in the wrong location :).

I added a section to the Lord Valthalak page about a strategy my guild had used that was very successful for us. You added a tag to the section noting that it needed to be cleaned up, and I'm curious about what needs to happen there. I don't expect I'll be a major submitter to this site, but I am interested in adding/editting according to your guidelines and protocols. Can you provide some suggestions on how I might clean it up? Or link to an article that provides such suggestions? Thanks Khandivya 13:03, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Nothing in particular. I guess just minimizing the words like we/you. Haven't really had a chance to look over it. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 13:06, 4 January 2007 (EST)

I editted the section a bit, making it look more like the other alternative strategy, and I removed all uses of we/you/us/our. I left the "cleanup" tag at the top, just because it's not my place to remove it. On another note, is this the way things are done here? (the page edit, this conversation) As I said above, I'm very new to Wiki and I don't want to annoy anyone :) Thanks. Khandivya 13:06, 5 January 2007 (EST)

No need to be afraid about removing a tag. If you feel that you've addressed the issue that the tag was referring to, you can go ahead and remove it.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 15:01, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you for the welcome.

Hope to contribute as much as I can. Looks like we have a really good bunch of folks helping to expand this database. Please don't hesitate to pop in from time-to-time and keep me in line ;) Varonin 20:02, 10 January 2007 (EST)

NPC box images

Now, I really like this change, and was going to suggest something along these lines anyways, but there are a few issues. First off, can we turn the default image off? Now, every page that includes NPC box has a huge glaring Atal'i exile on it. Also, in some cases, like Warlord Gorchuk, the picture gets really big and crowds the page, and I can't find any way to limit the size without screwing up the NPC box. Is there a way to limit the maximum width an image can have in the NPC box? Anyways, keep up the good work. --Mikaka 16:00, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Sheesh I'm a bonehead. Good point, temporarily reverted for now. Real fix awaiting when I'm done with work. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 16:31, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Stubs

I see you "created" the article for Crusader Strike. You put a category on it and slapped a stub tag on it. A stub is, according to Wikipedia, "an article that is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of the subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information." A blank page is not a stub, and as such, I've nominated Crusader Strike for deletion. Just thought you should know. RobertM525 00:30, 21 January 2007 (EST)

{{Questbox}} work still to do: heading → category

I think that User:Hobinbot has a job to do now... change all the heading parameters in old questboxes to category. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:49 PM PST 25 Jan 2007

That's funny, I thought I took care of that already...--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 19:14, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Quest Guide

Er, why did you undo the template deprecation?  Kirkburn talk contr 05:36, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Because I don't like the bot on my user page and I don't like the new template. My comments to follow in VP.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 05:38, 26 January 2007 (EST)

I still don't see that the problem with it is :/ The only change is the addition of brackets around item links, which are needed for common (white) items.  Kirkburn talk contr 05:41, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Bot Loot Template

Regarding the Loot Template, do an admin rollback on it. I asked around yesterday for other poeple's stance on the Loot template but I couldn't find any. --Voidvector 12:09, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Nevermind. I was speaking more out of annoyance, at the time. It's fine. Don't worry about it. My mistake.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 12:54, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Ok. Either way, I am not continuing until they are added into the Boilerplate or WoWWiki:Template. --Voidvector 13:33, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Tyrant

WTF is wrong with you!?!? I made a joke, and you in your infinite wisdom kick and ban me from IRC?!?! Serious abuse of power and no justified reason what so ever. If you have a problem with me, sort it out, but there is no reason to ban me. --Zealtalkcontrweb 13:07, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Regarding Bot activity...

I read this a bit late [1] but I have to say, that I don't know too well what the load of the server is and I'll have to know details to reprogram my bot porperly if it is the problem. Currently my bot does about one *read* per 2 seconds and that about 150 times (depending on the amound of guild stubs) and then one write and this every 12 hours. I think this should be fine ?

well then there's that new job I'll start scripting per friday (elinksitem/mob) and it thought I'd make this about one edit per 5 seconds, but since you wrote about multiple edits per minute already being too much for the server, should I make it 30 or 60s per edit? though really, the job is about changing more than 5,000 pages (maybe even more than 10,000), meaning this would really take some loooooong time if I make it 60s per edit. also it would mean that the temporary list of pages to edit will get wrong more often meaning that the script would have to read the "what links here" page more often, and I don't think that one is chached.

I think it's time we make rustak install that direct access api package... I'll leave him a note :-) -watchout 06:22, 8 March 2007 (EST)

I wrote that more at anger at the state of the wiki at the time that I wrote it. You shouldn't worry. Feel free to unthrottle your bot. But, at the same time, if there's any doubt in your mind that its affecting the state of the wiki, please pause it or throttle it. The admins already know you're going to get to it, so it's cool with us. Also, I'll handle the bc template if you'll handle the elinks one. Just want to make sure we aren't duplicating work. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 07:21, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Aye! I sent a mail to rustak btw., see what he answers - I wanted to ask him about the api last year already, but I just forgot it :P -watchout 07:50, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Join IRC, it's sometimes the best way to chat about this stuff, and you're more likely to get answers than by email :) Kirkburn talk contr 12:42, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Rustak is in IRC? Now that's a real surprise for me! IRC normally means pure stress for me, I like to read text in my own speed, not that of others (* #users writing) ;) But yeah, I'll peek into IRC anyway to talk about the bot and even more (other) stuff that came to my mind on friday, now I try to learn again :D -watchout 13:36, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Hobinheim, I'll also write a bot to switch from {{uncommon}} (etc.) to {{quality}}, elinksitem is finished, elinksmob is running -watchout 12:29, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

How to make a signature

Hey Hobinheim, noticed on a few talk pages now that you're actually adding in the whole HTML code in order to add in your signature; must be a pain in the ass.

So heres a quick guide.

1. Create two pages, User:Hobinheim/Sig and User:Hobinheim/Sig2.
2. Place your coding in User:Hobinheim/Sig, if you want to add an information bar, do so with the noinclude anchors (see User:Kiltek/Sig for an example)
3. In User:Hobinheim/Sig2 we're going to refer to the template, so you'll need to put {{User:Hobinheim/Sig}} - again, add an information bar if you please and check out User:Kiltek/Sig2 for reference.
4. This is the important part, it won't work unless you make sure it's right! - Go into your Preferences, and ensure you're on "User Profile" Tab.
5. In the "Nickname" edit box, put this {{SUBST::User:Hobinheim/Sig2}} and make sure "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" is ticked.
6. Now use your signature as usual with ~~~~ just like mine :) <Kiltek> blah / spam 04:43, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

That's not the case at all.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 17:44, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

In any case, I added the guide to WoWWiki:Signature! Kirkburn talk contr 17:49, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Kek, so you did! <Kiltek> blah / spam 18:38, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Fang of Vashj

I don't exactly understand what was the reason of your last changes. As far as I can see, Boilerplate:Item says that info about which NPC drops the item should be in "Source" section (which you erased)... Something I should know about? -- Vysogota T / C

It's a very short article and doesn't merit entire sections for single sentences. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 12:14, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Huh? Rolled back the change, about 80% of the item articles have a single sentence as Source. --Ady_s 13:20, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

As Adys pointed out in IRC chat, then I have beef with 80% of the articles. =)--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 14:29, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Well, change the Boilerplate:Item then, because right now applying such changes to approx. 80% of the item pages and contradicting your own templates doesn't make much sense. -- Vysogota T / C

Category:User:Zeal

User pages are not yours, what's with removing all that? --Ady_s 03:26, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm not removing anything on the user pages besides the relevant categories.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 06:37, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Okay, I see you've reverted them.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 06:38, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

_Europe or _EU

What to use for guild and server articles.

Currently guild pages seems to be using _EU for European guilds and _Europe for European server names. We need to choose one of them to bring consistancy within the two types of articles.

Examples: Guild: Brutality (Grim Batol EU) Server: Server:Trollbane Europe

As of now all european realms have the _Europe in there name.

 D ♠ T ♣ C ♦  07:10, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

cost/gsc template

I see that the templates {{g}}, {{gs}} and {{sc}} have been removed, and that {{cost}} is being touted as the replacement for them all. I must have missed that memo. Gsc may substitute for G and gs, but I would have to be convinced that {{sc}} was worthless, and that {{cost}} was such a panacea. I find it annoying to have to specify things like "g=2", especially when {{g}} covered that case just fine. Could you point me to the discussion or voting pages relevant to this?

ps: found your comments on the Template:Cost-Talk page, which given the identity of the bot making changes, confuses me... --Eirik Ratcatcher 14:37, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes, well, I wasn't at all opposed to using cost... And the first three unnamed arguments to cost work just like gsc. The problem surfaced with flight path and the performance hit induced by the template's mass inclusion. At that point, I recrated a version of gsc specifically for use in flight path and everywhere else. Yes, this was after the fact that Hobinbot, my bot, had already begun the conversion. It's sort of a mess now, but there was no way of predicting it would end up this way unless it had already happened, as with the case of deleted flight path edits. For now, it's up in the air. What I talked about in template talk cost was just my suggestion given my findings. Use what works is usually my policy in the trenches. Cost just didn't work that one time, but works everywhere else.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 14:45, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Who was against {{sc}}, which did (IMHO) have value? --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:16, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

{{cost|<>|<s>|<c>}} :). no = required. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:34, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

It's not a matter of being against a given template so much as it is consolidating efforts and standardizing the process. We had a lot of money templates that didn't really need to be factioned off into physically seperate templates. They could all be solved by one money template.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 10:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

icon

skeet dude, i hope you plan on botting every item page, and others, besides. blck --Sky (t · c · w) 18:05, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

The bot is running. --GRYPHON^tc 18:57, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

about your most recent block

the lrn2spell comment is childish and reflects poorly on the wikki, he does know how to spell he's just wrong, l33t speak is poor form, btw your link at the top of this page is broken and it's pop up is obscene. RESKAR^(Contr)

Yes it is obscene. It's a relic from a vandal. It's only useful to admins who can see the deleted edits on the page.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 16:41, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Removing BC template?

I noticed that Hobinbot removed the {{bc}} template from a pair of pages I was watching, without replacing it with anything. I then noticed that it was removing the template from a large number (all?) of bc-only stuff, some of which are not otherwise marked as BC only. With no discussion (or warning of a decision reached on the IRC channel) of this on the template's talk page or the Village pump, I really have to wonder what stripping this information out of the wiki entirely accomplishes, other than to reduce the information we provide? --Bobson 17:36, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Ahh yes. I sort of agree we're going about this haphazardly... And I also agree that there wasn't really a good or visible discussion trail leading up to this template's temporary demise... However, I've been reassured by my peers that it will return in a cleaner, more sane format. I'm just the messenger, doing my job, having fun deleting things. You'd do better to bring your future concerns to IRC, Kirkburn, or Adys.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 17:43, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Well it was your bot. :) As long as you're keeping track of which files had the template to put it back, all is well, although I hope it doesn't take too long. --Bobson 18:35, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Bobson here, why delete the {{bc}} tag from pages? If it is going to change, then they will just update the template, right? And if they update the template, all pages that uses it will also be updated. Or am I wrong? --Ragowit 06:56, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

It wasn't a matter of updating the template itself so much as updating where it appears.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 11:08, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

template formatting

Is there some secret, hidden reason that virtually every template page I see is formatted as if every single (white)space character was a sea-urchin, to be avoided at all cost? Tooltip is moderately so, Icon very much so, I could go on. Yes, whitespace can bulk up the parsing of a page, but I have a hard time believing - just off the cuff- that it is so very critical. Is it? I'm hoping you will know, or know who to ask. By preference, I would see whitespace added to make these pages readable. --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:27, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Sometimes the wiki engine is just wonky, especially with leading and trailing whitespace. It's just a force of habit that some code things are rammed together in the middle as a result of that. Tooltip is undergoing some major surgery right now, but aside from that, was there anything else in particular you were referring to?--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 11:39, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

Dear Sir,

You have my sincerest apology from the bottom of my heart. It was not my intent to infringe your regulations on editing articles; – I thought the debate was ended, and that I had the liberty to incorporate my own stances and suggestions in the mage article. I have recently been informed that you sanctioned a ban against me because of this, a ruling which I oppose. It is my conviction to favour dialogue over conflict; – you should have notified me and we could have talked this over. Putting me on your 'most wanted list' was not very nice¨. I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Yours Faithfully, Teabingh 05:22, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

No worries. I do think the multiple apologies is unnecessary though. Tread lightly.--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 13:07, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

elinks

i "think" something broke down with the recent edit to item template links. check village pump for details.  - CJ talk / cont  07:46, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

hm, wait,, found it.  - CJ talk / cont  07:48, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

CSS!

We can edit it :) WoWWiki talk:Village pump#CSS and js access. Would love your input if you're around any time :) Kirkburn talk contr 08:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Mob Template

I'm putting the 'general information' for the bosses in Molten Core in a Mob/Boss boxes. However, although I put the 'type' in the box, it doesn't show up when I save it. Do you know what's the problem? Here's what I mean:

You should sign your posts. What do you mean by "general information"? What kind of information, specifically? --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 13:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not signing. Here's what I mean, this is one of the bosses I haven't gone through yet - Sulfuron Harbinger - see the General Information section? I want to include this in the mobbox, but when I'm writing the "type" line it doesn't show; I checked the template there is such line but it sais it is hidden default or something like this.Dakovski 14:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You have to use "race=", I believe. --Sky (talk | con | wh) 04:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I understand now, thanks a lot. Typing the 'race' also puts the 'type' in brackets after it.Dakovski 15:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)